Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  hello dear

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  can i help  u

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   hi 

KrutoyMuzhik:   what is this room about? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  it is about christians are asking questions about islam

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and we answer

KrutoyMuzhik:   what do you think about christianity? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  honestly

KrutoyMuzhik:   yes 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  it is a man made , and the bible nowdays is not the bible of jesus peace be upon him

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and it is changed and currupted by ppl

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  if u need proofs

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  i am at ur services

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  proofs from the bible itself though

KrutoyMuzhik:   so does muslims believe in jesus christ? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  if a man claims to be a muslim , and he didnt believe about jesus christ peace be upon him

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  then he is not a muslim

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  we muslims

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  believe that jesus peace be upon him is the word of God and was born without a father Miracle birth

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and the Quran is the only book in the world that says

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  that mary is the most pure and clean woman in the whole universe

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  Muslims also believe that jesus spoke in cradle , and he cure sick ppl and he rised dead and did miracles in the name of God

KrutoyMuzhik:   Just as teh bible states 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  in the bible it is not mentioned that jesus spoke in the cradle

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and unfortanatuly christians worship jesus instead of worshiping God

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  where jesus never said Iam God , or Worship me in the bible itself !

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  who says jesus is God ? only the priests (i am speaking honestly sorry)

KrutoyMuzhik:   Jesus said "me and my father are one, if you see me you see my father in heaven" 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ok u want to hear what does the bible say about this ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   sure 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  first i say :

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  any prophet can say this because

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  they are one in aim

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  since the prophet tell ppl what God told him to say

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  lets see what the bible say

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  lets take this : me and my father are one, if you see me you see my father in heaven"

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  does it mean that jesus = the father

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  so who saw jesus saw the father = saw God

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  right ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   yes they are One 

KrutoyMuzhik:   Jesus was God on earth 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  lets see what does the bible say

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  Jn: 5:37

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  Jn: 1:18

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:   No man hath seen God at any time

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  many saw jesus ! but the bible says no man has seen GOD

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and pardon me : you said : KrutoyMuzhik:   Jesus was God on earth 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  did jesus ever said this ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   jesus said me and my father are one 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  but many saw jesus and none saw God !

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  so how comes they are one (as u understand it )?

KrutoyMuzhik:   because he declares it in the word....so what do you think of jesus..he was just a good man? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  as jesus said : he is an honered prophet and massenger of God

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  who told ppl what God Ordered him to say

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  Jn:17:3

KrutoyMuzhik:   and muhammed ? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and mohammad the same

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and moses

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and ibraham

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and john

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and jacob

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and all the prophets

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: 

KrutoyMuzhik:   so jesus is no better than moses, mohammad, john, peter, paul, ect? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  not peter and paul

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  the prophets of God

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  are all the same

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  but

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  each has his speciality

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  for example

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  jesus was born without a father

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  jesus was not killed nor died yet

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  God rised him and saved him (prooved in the bible as well)

KrutoyMuzhik:   why in bible there is no mohammad? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  because it is currupted and changed BUT i can show u about mohammad in the bible

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  intrested ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   sure 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  one sec

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  Isa:29:12

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  who is that UNLEARNED (ONE) who claimed to have a revelation and to be  aprophet ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  2

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  Dt:33:2: And he said, The Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  Sinai = Moses, Seir= JEsus , Pharan = Mohammad ( pharan is still in mecca till now , and mohammad opened mecca with 10.000 of his companions)

KrutoyMuzhik:   does koran teach to kill christians? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  NO !

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  lol

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  how come there were many christians in the time of the prophet and the leaders after  !

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  u wanna know what quran say about christians ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   why on tv you see terrorists claiming they are doing the work of allah and cutting off peoples heads ? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  do u judge islam according to TV or ppl ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  can judge christianity the same way ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  is it fair ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   no i think not...but do you know why these people do this? is this islam or no? 

KrutoyMuzhik:   or are they just terrorist and do evil work? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  about whom u are talking ?!

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  lemme give u a general info

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  about islam LAw

KrutoyMuzhik:   bin ladin, taliban, terrorists ect? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  Any one who kill ANYONE without a reason (defence) is as he killed the whole humanity

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  yes

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  any one who kill onnocents is not from islam

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  100%

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  but

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  did u read  about killing in the bible ?!

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  i mean

KrutoyMuzhik:   but bin ladin he say he is doing work of allah 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  well dear many ppl say they are christians but they are not and they dont represents christianity !

KrutoyMuzhik:   he thinks it is in bible okay to kill americans and jews ect because they dont follow islam faith 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  no dear this is wrong 100%

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  coz quran says : no force in religion

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  anyone can choose his religion

KrutoyMuzhik:   so you dont like bin ladin? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  who does ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  lol

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  does this mean

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  that u refuse to worship a GOD who orders to kill innocents ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   so you think GOD orders to kill innocents ? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  this is what the bible says ! which i refuse totaly !

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  do u want to know where ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   old testament? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  isnt it the word of God ! the same God!

KrutoyMuzhik:   but they worked under the old code in old testament, before jesus came, just as they used to sacrifice a lamb to God, but now we dont' because Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice for us to die for us on the cross for our sins 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  but u believe that jesus is God

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  so jesus is the one who Gave orders in the old testment !

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  since u believe he is God !

KrutoyMuzhik:   well i am still learning..you know bible better than i  

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  but

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  if jesus is God

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  then jesus is the one who gave orders in the old testment

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  right or wrong ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  we agreed to speak honestly

KrutoyMuzhik:   God is God yes 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ok

KrutoyMuzhik:   there is only one God 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  so jesus gave the prders in old testment

KrutoyMuzhik:   God did 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ok

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  so lets look at some of these commands

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  1Sm:15:3:  Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  Jos:6:21

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  so

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  this is what God commanded

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  u agree to worship a God who Comanded this ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  honestly

KrutoyMuzhik:   and what does your koran say? 

KrutoyMuzhik:   do you have samuel in yoru book? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  no we dont

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  i will show u what my quran say

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  And fight in the Way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors. [This Verse is the first one that was revealed in connection with Jihad, but it was supplemented by another - 2:190].

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  surah 2:190

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  u can read the whole quran

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  if u find one bad order

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  or something not accepted

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  or not fair

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  u come and push ur finger in my eyes and say

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  here u have

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  http://www.quran.nu/

KrutoyMuzhik:   but jesus preached same message, to turn you cheek, if he might smit you on one turn the other cheek 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  here is the translation of the meanings of the quran

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  dear

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  jesus is one of our beloved prophet

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and we believe that he said what God told him to say

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  he came to fox the missguided jewish

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  who currupted the law

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  to fix sorry

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and he gave them the correct path

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  some followed jesus

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  but after ppl currupt this msg

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  changed it

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  put in it many and deleted from it

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  i am not attacking jesus

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  no i dont dare

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  he is better than me and my whole family

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  he is a choosen prophet from God

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  but the bible attacks jesus !

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  coz of that we refuse the bible (now days bible) not the bible of jesus

KrutoyMuzhik:   so you dont believe in holy bible? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  i believe in the bible that was reveled to jesus peace be upon him

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  not the bible we have nowdays

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  dear , u didnt answer my question

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and we said honestly

KrutoyMuzhik:   where do you live? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  do u agree to worship a god who ordered to kill infants and kids

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  Canada

KrutoyMuzhik:   toronto? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  close ..

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  why ?!

KrutoyMuzhik:   i live in kansas 

KrutoyMuzhik:   just wanted to get to know person i am talking with =) 

KrutoyMuzhik:   how old are you, may i ask 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  :- )

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  28

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  u ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   22 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  long rightous life God Willing :- )

KrutoyMuzhik:   u 2 =) .... married? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  lol

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  does it matter ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   you need not answer if you please not to =)  

KrutoyMuzhik:   O Prophet! tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.  

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  thanks for ur kindness , i prefere not to answer

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  100%

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  is this verse bad /

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  unfair for women ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  insult for women ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e.screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allah is Ever Oft­Forgiving, Most Merciful.

KrutoyMuzhik:   well i dont think they need to cover there whole body and face in public 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  lemme give u an example

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ok ...

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  there are a twin girls

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  they are soooo beautiful

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  they went out

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  one of them is wearing like the verse said

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and one of them is wearing a jeans and put make up

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  they are twins remember, they look same

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and there are a bad guy in the street (there are many as u know)

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  which one the bad guy will attack ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   well i understand this because she bring attention to her self 

KrutoyMuzhik:   i think same thing 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  so Allah created us and he knows the best for us

KrutoyMuzhik:   i believe and my wife also...she wear long dress, long hair, no make up, jewerly, simple 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and allah protected women so much

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  well , if u are christians ,  then she must follow what was said in the NEW testment about women

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and i bet she will never agree

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  wanna see what does the bible say regarding women ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   i knwo what it says, but you can explain  

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  sure hold on

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

KrutoyMuzhik:   yes i know these verses 

KrutoyMuzhik:   this is corinthians 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  yes

KrutoyMuzhik:   it also says, about hair, jewelry, clothing ect later in chapter 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  there are many

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  more than this

KrutoyMuzhik:   do you believe that man that is martyr in jihad he recieves 10 virgins in heaven? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  :- )

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  73 vergins

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  but whats for women ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  the quran answers this :

KrutoyMuzhik:   is that why it is so easy for a man to pick up a gun and go out and fight because he believes allah command him to do so, and he will recieve such a gift in heaven...i mean this seems man made 73 virgins, its like all guy fantasy...why would you need 73 virgins when you will be in heaven to worship God this should be only thing 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  inheaven to worship God ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  lemme tell u something

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  inislam

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  The life is  work with no rewards, the lifeafter rewards with no work

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  now whats the most expensive thing u have ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ur life

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  if u give ur life to defend ur wife , ur family , ur land 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  you will have great rewards for this if u did it for the sake of Godo

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  God

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  not only 73 vergines

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  there are what no eye has seen , no ear has heared , and never came to a human imagination

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  'Adn (Eden) Paradise (Gardens of Eternity) which they will enter, under which rivers flow, they will have therein all that they wish. Thus Allah rewards the Muttaqun (pious).

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  they will have therein all that they wish

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  they ,. (men and women ) will have ALL that they wish

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  one of the women came to the prophet peace be upon him and said

KrutoyMuzhik:   now i see why it so easy for men to pick up gun and fight americans in iraq 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  yes it is very easy

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  if they are believers

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  one of the women came to the prophet peace be upon him and said

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  men have jihad so what do we have ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  he peace be upon him answered :

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  if u are a rightous wife, take care about the kids , learn them , support ur husband, be faithful

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  u have the same rewards as who fights and die

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and ..

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  in islam

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  the man sees his wife in heaven the most bueatiful

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  more than all the vergines

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  so there in heaven ,

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  Rewards with no work

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  :- )

KrutoyMuzhik:   i am sorry, but to me this seem man made, when it was written like they were thinking what would be best thing to write here... 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  no sir

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  it is not a man made !

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  because heaven is the place where u will enjoy

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ur good deeds in this life

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  there are what no eye has seen and no ear has heared and not came to an imagination of human

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  does this look like a man made ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   i understand this...but that is materialistic, all our lusts and fleshly desires there in heaven...all the sex, girls, sceneary, easy lifestyle ect....that is not christian heaven 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  just change sex with marriage ur sentence will be 100%

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and more

KrutoyMuzhik:   christian heaven is to stand before the living God and worship him day in and day out, to be there in his prescense, and then he will rebuild jerusalem and it will be heaven on earth 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  never 100%

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  there are more gifts

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  so ur heaven does not have what no eyes has seen or no ear has heard and never came to an imagination of human ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   yes it does 

KrutoyMuzhik:   but it doesn't have 72 virgins and many wifes ect 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  who told u it doesnt ?!

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  does the bible say it doesnt ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   the living word of God 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  where /

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  show me

KrutoyMuzhik:   show me where it does 

KrutoyMuzhik:   it doesn't never say 72 virgins...only your koran says this 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  well u said it doesnt ! so u show me where it says so !

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  KrutoyMuzhik:   but it doesn't have 72 virgins and many wifes ect 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  proov this

KrutoyMuzhik:   well to prove this i would have to show you where it does say it...and it doesn't say it anywhere in the bible so that is proof alone 

KrutoyMuzhik:   how can i show you when there is no passage of such 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  well then it is not mentioned so u cant say it is not there

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  the bible didnt say Abu hamzeh is on earth

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  this doesnt mean that there is no one called abu hamzeh in earth

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  right ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and how come jesus says in the bible that he will drink in the kingdome ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and bread in the kingdome

KrutoyMuzhik:   http://www.hopeshineministry.com/testimonies.html#Ahmed_Abaza 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  sites !

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  lol

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  does the bible mention that there will be a man called Abu hamzeh on Earth ? No

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  this doesnt mean that there wont be coz it is not mentioned !

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  lol

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  fake stories !?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  u need to see Famous Priests became muslims ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and i repeat FAMOUS

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   and i can say that same without reading them just as you did....Fake Stories...correct? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  because of that i said SITES ?!

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  lol

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  look

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  what about famous doctors and proffesors in the states ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  vedio and audio

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and with full information about them where u can contact them ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  u will see and hear them and u will get full information about them

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  fair ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  but still u didnt answer my question

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  since the bible didnt mention me myself , does this mean i  dont exist ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   what is this site 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  one sec

KrutoyMuzhik:   did you know muhammed had relation with a 9 year old? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  http://www.islampedia.com/ijaz/Html/Scientist_All/Index.htm

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  relation ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  he married her dear

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  u need explination say : YES

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: 

KrutoyMuzhik:   and is it okay to beat your wife, not to hurt her but to teach her? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  beat ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  lol

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  u know the tooth brush ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   yes 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  u hit the wife with her un hurting hits to show her her mistake and when is this ??

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  read when

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allah and to their husbands), and guard in the husband's absence what Allah orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband's property, etc.).

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  As to those women on whose part you see ill conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allah is Ever Most High, Most Great.

KrutoyMuzhik:   in my bible it is shameful to beat your wife 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  shamful ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  isnt is shamful to sell her ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  isnt it shamfull not to let her inherit ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   sell her? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  yes SELL HER

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  but u will tell me old testment

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  but it is The SAME GOD you worship

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and force her to marry her died brother's brother

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and she is to be inhereted

KrutoyMuzhik:   do you like isreal? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  this is shamful and to beat her after all what she did (if it will help to fix her)

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  like u do with ur son and kids (For their Sake)

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  this is shamfull

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  no i dont like israel i hate israel

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  do you love Bin LAden ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   no do you? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  oh ... Love your Enemies

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  no i dont

KrutoyMuzhik:   i dont hate him 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  well u said u dont Love

KrutoyMuzhik:   i think he is a evil man though 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  where u have to

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  Love Them

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  u have to love him

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  Love ur enemy

KrutoyMuzhik:   i know but it is hard 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  it is not hard

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  it is impossible

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  enemy !!

KrutoyMuzhik:   well love israel then 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  love ur enemies is for u not for me

KrutoyMuzhik:   do you consider christians your enemy? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  i will let the quran answer

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  Verily, you will find the strongest among men in enmity to the believers (Muslims) the Jews and those who are mushrikoon (polytheists), and you will find the nearest in love to the believers (Muslims) those who say: "We are Christians." That is because amongst them are priests and monks, and they are not proud.

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  And when they (who call themselves Christians) listen to what has been sent down to the Messenger (Muhammad ملسو هيلع هللا ىلص), you see their eyes overflowing with tears because of the truth they have recognised. They say: "Our Lord! We believe; so write us down among the witnesses.

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  And why should we not believe in Allah and in that which has come to us of the truth (Islamic Monotheism)? And we wish that our Lord will admit us (in Paradise on the Day of Resurrection) along with the righteous people

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  :- )

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  So because of what they said, Allah rewarded them Gardens under which rivers flow (in Paradise), they will abide therein forever. Such is the reward of good doers.

KrutoyMuzhik:   so christians are wrong ... i see 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  yes they are missguided

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  i am speaking very honestly

KrutoyMuzhik:   just as i see the same with muslims 

KrutoyMuzhik:   i also 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  i have my proofs from ur bible

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  show me proofs of my quran

KrutoyMuzhik:   of what 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  of that we are missguided

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  how could mohammad know about the big bang theory ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  how could mohammad know about the barriers between big seas

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and many many ...

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  how could mohammd mention the lowest ground on the whole earth ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  how could mohammad know about that in the deep seas it is dark while he lived in Desert and never seen a sea

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  why does those scientists confiss about that mohammad is a prophet !

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  americans , japanies , canadians, germans, frensh FAMOUS scientists !

KrutoyMuzhik:   BIBLE:   RE :no other gods

(One of the Commandments) "You shall not have no other gods before me." 

Exodus 20:3  Qur'an:   RE : no other gods

[' 4:36] You shall worship GOD alone - do not associate anything with Him. ....

  

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  yes

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  there is only One God

KrutoyMuzhik:   BIBLE:

"I am the Lord, and there is no other;

apart from me there is no God." 

Isaiah 45:5  Qur'an:

[ 112:1-4] Proclaim, "He is the One and only GOD. "The Absolute GOD."Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten."None equals Him."

  

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:    

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  Mal 3:6  "For I the LORD do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed

KrutoyMuzhik:   BIBLE:

"For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day He RESTED, and was REFRESHED"

Exo. 31:17

 Qur'an:

"We have created the heavens and the earth, and everything between them in six days, and no fatigue touched us. "          

 Qur'an 50:38

  

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and on the seventh day He RESTED, and was REFRESHED"   Compare it with and no fatigue touched us. "          

KrutoyMuzhik:   who is "us" 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ex 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  do u know When plural is used to show mighty ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  WE The king of England ordered :

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  1-

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  2-

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  many verses in the quran

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and very known in english

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  Thy navel is like a round goblet, which wanteth not liquor: thy belly is like an heap of wheat set about with lilies.

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins.

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  Thy neck is as a tower of ivory; thine eyes like the fishpools in Heshbon, by the gate of Bathrabbim: thy nose is as the tower of Lebanon which looketh toward Damascus

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  This thy stature is like to a palm tree, and thy breasts to clusters of grapes. 8 I said, I will go up to the palm tree, I will take hold of the boughs thereof: now also thy breasts shall be as clusters of the vine, and the smell of thy nose like apples;

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  the word of God right ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   es 

KrutoyMuzhik:   yes 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ok !

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  mind was alienated from her sister. 19 Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt.

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses.

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  the word of God ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   what book? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  i am asking do u accept this as the word of God ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  honestly remember

KrutoyMuzhik:   i suppose if its out fo the bible 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  u see , u accept it because it is there , not because u r convinced

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  or  u might be convinced

KrutoyMuzhik:   what are you trying to convince me to believe then 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  i am trying to convince u to believe that There is no God but one

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and believe in all the massengers and books

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and believe that there are  angels

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and the lifeafter

KrutoyMuzhik:   http://www.christiananswers.net/islam.html 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  brother..

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  i can give u tons of sites

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  i am speaking to u ur honesy ur brain

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  honesty*

KrutoyMuzhik:   do you read the injeel 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  i read 4 versions

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  cover to cover

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  what version u have

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  i hope not the New International Version

KrutoyMuzhik:   NKJV 

KrutoyMuzhik:   So Ishmael recieved the blessing not Isaac? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  Both are blessed prophets

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  lol

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  tell me what do u have exactly in john 7:53

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   "and every man went to his own house" 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ok

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  do u like to talk about the basic of christian beliefe ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  or u like to have a question that has no answer in the bible ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   christian beliefs 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  good

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  who died on the cross ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   i know you believe Judas (i believe) took the place of jesus on the cross? Jesus shed his blood and died on the cross for all our sins 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  forget about what i believe

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  jesus died in the cross as God or as human ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  our refrence is the Bible only

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   "therefore the lord himselfshall give you  a sign, behold, a virgin shall concieve, and bear a son, and shall call him immanuel" 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  well jesus never called immanuel ,. but anyways my question

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  did jesus died in the cross as God or human ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   "for unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful, Councelor, the mighty God, the everlasting father, the prince of peace" 

KrutoyMuzhik:   let me get to it read 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  i know these verses brother

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  but i will read

KrutoyMuzhik:   who is this they talking about jesus right 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  no

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  show me where jesus is called immanuel

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  jesus never called immanuel

KrutoyMuzhik:   "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was god" 

KrutoyMuzhik:   "therefore the lord himselfshall give you  a sign, behold, a virgin shall concieve, and bear a son, and shall call him immanuel" 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  in the begining was God and God was with God and God was God

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  brother..

KrutoyMuzhik:   Deut 6:4 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  my question is so simple

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  did jesus died as God or human

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  the answer is : as God , as human

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   "but we see jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor, that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man" 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  so he died as a human or as God ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   Jesus was God in flesh 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ok so he died as human or as God ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   god 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  Dt 32:40 I lift my hand to heaven and declare: As surely as I live forever

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  how comes God says i live forever (before crossifiction) and he died ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   "I am come in my fathers name, and you recieve me not, if another shall come in his own name, him you wil recieve" 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  Dt 32:40 I lift my hand to heaven and declare: As surely as I live forever

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  how comes God says i live forever (before crossifiction) and he died ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  this is my question..

KrutoyMuzhik:   he was resurrected 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  but he died !

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and God says i live forever !

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  all of us well be ressurrected !

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  so how come God says i Live forever , and he died ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   you believe jesus rose on the third day? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  i dont believe that jesus is killed , God rised him

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and i can show u this from the bible

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  that he was not killed

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  but lets continue ..

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  if God says i live forever , how comes he died ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  even if a second ..

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   "howbeit jessu spoke of his death, but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep" 

KrutoyMuzhik:   jesus* 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ??

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  jesus died as God

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  that what u said

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  i am asking

KrutoyMuzhik:   jesus flesh died 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ok again

KrutoyMuzhik:   jesus human body 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  jesus died as God or Human ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   human body 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  so who died is Human not God right ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   no he is God, but his flesh died on the cross....God took on the human form through jesus, Jesus was God walking amongst us 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  i will leave this question about if he was God , but what died is human and not God right ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   yes 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  Ez: 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  did jesus soul sin ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   no 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  so how come he died ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  Dt:24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  every man shall be put to death for his own sin

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  he died as a man as u said

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  so !

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  how come he died ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   he took on the sins of the world, he bore them all on the cross 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  but the bible clearly says : The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  so as a human he cannot carry others sins coz everyone must be punished for his own sin !

KrutoyMuzhik:   well christ did 

KrutoyMuzhik:   you know this  

KrutoyMuzhik:   if you read new testament 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  then the one who said those verses lied !

KrutoyMuzhik:   so why you think jesus died on cross then? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  jesus didnt die on the cross !

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  this is my believe

KrutoyMuzhik:   so what happend huh? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  God rised him and saved him

KrutoyMuzhik:   so who was that on the cross? 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  mostly juda the betrayer

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  God put in him the look of jesus

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  so he was punished for what he did

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  u want to see this in the bible ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   lol sure 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  put promiss me that u will be honest

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  promiss ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   yes, but i want to see how you interept this passage 

KrutoyMuzhik:   because i know for fact it doesnt' say judas died on cross 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  i said

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  do u wanna see that jesus was nopt crossified from the bible ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  my only simple condition is u promiss me to be honest

KrutoyMuzhik:   yes 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ok

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  Psalms 2:1-5

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  Wherefore did the heathen rage, and the nations imagine vain things? 2 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers gathered themselves together, against the Lord, and against his Christ;

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  Let us break through their bonds, and cast away their yoke from us

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  the result : He that dwells in the heavens shall laugh them to scorn, and the Lord shall mock them. 5 Then shall he speak to them in his anger, and trouble them in his fury.

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  do u understand anything from the second part ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  He that dwells in the heavens shall laugh them to scorn, and the Lord shall mock them. 5 Then shall he speak to them in his anger, and trouble them in his fury.

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   this does not show me in any way that judas died on the cross  

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  i am speaking about jesus didnt die on the cross

KrutoyMuzhik:   theres no way to show this because it doesn't say that in the bible 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ok lets move to the second proof

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  that jesus was not crossified

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  since u promissed to be honest

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  john 19: 35-36

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe. 36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.  <-- Mark This

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  psalm 34:15-22

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  The eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open to their prayer:

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  16 but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil, to destroy their memorial from the earth. The righteous cried, and the Lord hearkened to them,

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  17 and delivered them out of all their afflictions.

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  18 The Lord is near to them that are of a contrite heart; and will save the lowly in spirit.

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  19 Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but out of them all Lord will deliver them.

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  20 He keeps all their bones: not one of them shall be broken. 21 The death of sinners is evil: and they that hate righteousness will go wrong

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  honestly , what do u think , ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   i dont' see in those passages that it says jesus didn't die on the cross for our sins 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ok see , in john it says For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  him who ? jesus

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  where does the scripture mention this ?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  here

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and what is said here?

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  The righteous cried, and the Lord hearkened to them

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  and delivered them out of ALL their afflictions.

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but out of them all Lord will deliver them.

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  but out of them all Lord will deliver them.

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  still nothing ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   well i know where it says not a bone shall be broken in him...thats true and it didn't happen 

KrutoyMuzhik:   but im sorry my brother,but i have to go to bed, gotta get up early for work tomarrow... 

KrutoyMuzhik:   it was nice talking to you though, i enjoyed our conversation 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  ok please add me brother

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  we will talk later ok ?

KrutoyMuzhik:   okay 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:    

KrutoyMuzhik:   ur added 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  take care

KrutoyMuzhik:   god bless 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  thanks

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  gbu brother and ur wife

KrutoyMuzhik:   u 2 

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  thx

Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:  have  a great night