Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: hello dear
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: can i help u
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ?
KrutoyMuzhik: hi
KrutoyMuzhik: what is
this room about?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: it is about christians are asking
questions about islam
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and we answer
KrutoyMuzhik: what do
you think about christianity?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: honestly
KrutoyMuzhik: yes
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: it is a man made , and the bible
nowdays is not the bible of jesus peace be upon him
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and it is changed and currupted by ppl
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: if u need proofs
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: i am at ur services
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: proofs from the bible itself though
KrutoyMuzhik: so does muslims believe
in jesus christ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: if a man claims to be a muslim , and
he didnt believe about jesus christ peace be upon him
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: then he is not a muslim
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: we muslims
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: believe that jesus peace be upon him
is the word of God and was born without a father Miracle birth
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and the Quran is the only book in the
world that says
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: that mary is the most pure and clean
woman in the whole universe
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: Muslims also believe that jesus spoke
in cradle , and he cure sick ppl and he rised dead and did miracles in the name
of God
KrutoyMuzhik: Just as teh bible
states
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: in the bible it is not mentioned that
jesus spoke in the cradle
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and unfortanatuly christians worship
jesus instead of worshiping God
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: where jesus never said Iam God , or
Worship me in the bible itself !
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: who says jesus is God ? only the
priests (i am speaking honestly sorry)
KrutoyMuzhik: Jesus said "me and
my father are one, if you see me you see my father in heaven"
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ok u want to hear what does the bible
say about this ?
KrutoyMuzhik: sure
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: first i say :
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: any prophet can say this because
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: they are one in aim
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: since the prophet tell ppl what God
told him to say
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: lets see what the bible say
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: lets take this : me and my father are
one, if you see me you see my father in heaven"
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: does it mean that jesus = the father
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: so who saw jesus saw the father = saw
God
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: right ?
KrutoyMuzhik: yes they are One
KrutoyMuzhik: Jesus was God on
earth
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: lets see what does the bible say
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: Jn: 5:37
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: And the Father himself, which hath
sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time,
nor seen his shape
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: Ye have neither heard his voice at any
time, nor seen his shape
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: Jn: 1:18
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: No man hath seen God at any time, the
only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: No man hath seen God at any time
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: many saw jesus ! but the bible says no
man has seen GOD
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and pardon me : you said :
KrutoyMuzhik: Jesus was God on
earth
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: did jesus ever said this ?
KrutoyMuzhik: jesus said me and my
father are one
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: but many saw jesus and none saw God !
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: so how comes they are one (as u
understand it )?
KrutoyMuzhik: because he declares it
in the word....so what do you think of jesus..he was just a good man?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: as jesus said : he is an honered
prophet and massenger of God
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: who told ppl what God Ordered him to
say
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: Jn:17:3
KrutoyMuzhik: and muhammed ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: And this is life eternal, that they
might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and mohammad the same
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and moses
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and ibraham
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and john
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and jacob
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and all the prophets
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: 
KrutoyMuzhik: so jesus is no better
than moses, mohammad, john, peter, paul, ect?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: not peter and paul
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: the prophets of God
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: are all the same
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: but
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: each has his speciality
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: for example
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: jesus was born without a father
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: jesus was not killed nor died yet
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: God rised him and saved him (prooved
in the bible as well)
KrutoyMuzhik: why in bible there is
no mohammad?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: because it is currupted and changed
BUT i can show u about mohammad in the bible
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: intrested ?
KrutoyMuzhik: sure
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: one sec
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: Isa:29:12
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: And the book is delivered to him that
is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: who is that UNLEARNED (ONE) who
claimed to have a revelation and to be
aprophet ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: 2
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: Dt:33:2: And he said, The Lord came
from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran,
and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law
for them.
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: Sinai = Moses, Seir= JEsus , Pharan =
Mohammad ( pharan is still in mecca till now , and mohammad opened mecca with
10.000 of his companions)
KrutoyMuzhik: does koran teach to
kill christians?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: NO !
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: lol
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: how come there were many christians in
the time of the prophet and the leaders after
!
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: u wanna know what quran say about
christians ?
KrutoyMuzhik: why on tv you see terrorists claiming
they are doing the work of allah and cutting off peoples heads ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: do u judge islam according to TV or
ppl ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: can judge christianity the same way ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: is it fair ?
KrutoyMuzhik: no i think not...but do you know why
these people do this? is this islam or no?
KrutoyMuzhik: or are they just terrorist and do evil
work?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: about whom u are talking ?!
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: lemme give u a general info
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: about islam LAw
KrutoyMuzhik: bin ladin, taliban, terrorists ect?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: Any one who kill ANYONE without a
reason (defence) is as he killed the whole humanity
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: yes
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: any one who kill onnocents is not from
islam
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: 100%
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: but
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: did u read about killing in the bible ?!
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: i mean
KrutoyMuzhik: but bin ladin he say he is doing work of
allah
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: well dear many ppl say they are christians
but they are not and they dont represents christianity !
KrutoyMuzhik: he thinks it is in bible okay to kill
americans and jews ect because they dont follow islam faith
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: no dear this is wrong 100%
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: coz quran says : no force in religion
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: anyone can choose his religion
KrutoyMuzhik: so you dont like bin ladin?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: who does ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: lol
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: does this mean
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: that u refuse to worship a GOD who
orders to kill innocents ?
KrutoyMuzhik: so you think GOD orders to kill
innocents ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: this is what the bible says ! which i
refuse totaly !
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: do u want to know where ?
KrutoyMuzhik: old testament?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: isnt it the word of God ! the same
God!
KrutoyMuzhik: but they worked under the old code in
old testament, before jesus came, just as they used to sacrifice a lamb to God,
but now we dont' because Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice for us to die for us
on the cross for our sins
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: but u believe that jesus is God
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: so jesus is the one who Gave orders in
the old testment !
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: since u believe he is God !
KrutoyMuzhik: well i am still learning..you know bible
better than i
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: but
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: if jesus is God
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: then jesus is the one who gave orders
in the old testment
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: right or wrong ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: we agreed to speak honestly
KrutoyMuzhik: God is God yes
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ok
KrutoyMuzhik: there is only one God
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: so jesus gave the prders in old
testment
KrutoyMuzhik: God did
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ok
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: so lets look at some of these commands
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: 1Sm:15:3: Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy
all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and
suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: Jos:6:21
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: And they utterly destroyed all that
was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass,
with the edge of the sword.
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: so
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: this is what God commanded
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: u agree to worship a God who Comanded
this ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: but slay both man and woman, infant
and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: honestly
KrutoyMuzhik: and what does your koran say?
KrutoyMuzhik: do you have samuel in yoru book?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: no we dont
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: i will show u what my quran say
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: And fight in the Way of Allah those
who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the
transgressors. [This Verse is the first one that was revealed in connection
with Jihad, but it was supplemented by another - 2:190].
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: surah 2:190
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: u can read the whole quran
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: if u find one bad order
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: or something not accepted
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: or not fair
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: u come and push ur finger in my eyes
and say
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: here u have
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: http://www.quran.nu/
KrutoyMuzhik: but jesus preached same message, to turn
you cheek, if he might smit you on one turn the other cheek
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: here is the translation of the
meanings of the quran
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: dear
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: jesus is one of our beloved prophet
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and we believe that he said what God
told him to say
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: he came to fox the missguided jewish
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: who currupted the law
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: to fix sorry
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and he gave them the correct path
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: some followed jesus
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: but after ppl currupt this msg
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: changed it
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: put in it many and deleted from it
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: i am not attacking jesus
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: no i dont dare
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: he is better than me and my whole
family
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: he is a choosen prophet from God
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: but the bible attacks jesus !
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: coz of that we refuse the bible (now
days bible) not the bible of jesus
KrutoyMuzhik: so you dont believe in holy bible?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: i believe in the bible that was
reveled to jesus peace be upon him
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: not the bible we have nowdays
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: dear , u didnt answer my question
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and we said honestly
KrutoyMuzhik: where do you live?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: do u agree to worship a god who
ordered to kill infants and kids
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: Canada
KrutoyMuzhik: toronto?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: close ..
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: why ?!
KrutoyMuzhik: i live in kansas
KrutoyMuzhik: just wanted to get to know person i am
talking with =)
KrutoyMuzhik: how old are you, may i ask
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: :- )
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: 28
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: u ?
KrutoyMuzhik: 22
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: long rightous life God Willing :- )
KrutoyMuzhik: u 2 =) .... married?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: lol
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: does it matter ?
KrutoyMuzhik: you need not answer if you please not to
=)
KrutoyMuzhik: O Prophet! tell thy wives and daughters,
and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their
persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as
such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: thanks for ur kindness , i prefere not
to answer
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: 100%
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: is this verse bad /
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: unfair for women ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: insult for women ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: O Prophet! Tell your wives and your
daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over
their bodies (i.e.screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to
see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free
respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allah is Ever OftForgiving,
Most Merciful.
KrutoyMuzhik: well i dont think they need to cover
there whole body and face in public
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: lemme give u an example
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ok ...
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: there are a twin girls
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: they are soooo beautiful
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: they went out
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: one of them is wearing like the verse
said
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and one of them is wearing a jeans and
put make up
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: they are twins remember, they look
same
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and there are a bad guy in the street
(there are many as u know)
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: which one the bad guy will attack ?
KrutoyMuzhik: well i understand this because she bring
attention to her self
KrutoyMuzhik: i think same thing
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: so Allah created us and he knows the
best for us
KrutoyMuzhik: i believe and my wife also...she wear
long dress, long hair, no make up, jewerly, simple
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and allah protected women so much
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: well , if u are christians , then she must follow what was said in the NEW
testment about women
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and i bet she will never agree
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: wanna see what does the bible say
regarding women ?
KrutoyMuzhik: i knwo what it says, but you can
explain
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: sure hold on
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: Let your women keep silence in the
churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to
be under obedience as also saith the law.
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: And if they will learn any thing, let
them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the
church.
KrutoyMuzhik: yes i know these verses
KrutoyMuzhik: this is corinthians
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: yes
KrutoyMuzhik: it also says, about hair, jewelry,
clothing ect later in chapter
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: there are many
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: more than this
KrutoyMuzhik: do you believe that man that is martyr
in jihad he recieves 10 virgins in heaven?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: :- )
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: 73 vergins
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: but whats for women ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: the quran answers this :
KrutoyMuzhik: is that why it is so easy for a man to
pick up a gun and go out and fight because he believes allah command him to do
so, and he will recieve such a gift in heaven...i mean this seems man made 73
virgins, its like all guy fantasy...why would you need 73 virgins when you will
be in heaven to worship God this should be only thing
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: inheaven to worship God ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: lemme tell u something
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: inislam
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: The life is work with no rewards, the lifeafter rewards
with no work
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: now whats the most expensive thing u
have ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ur life
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: if u give ur life to defend ur wife ,
ur family , ur land
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: you will have great rewards for this
if u did it for the sake of Godo
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: God
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: not only 73 vergines
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: there are what no eye has seen , no
ear has heared , and never came to a human imagination
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: 'Adn (Eden) Paradise (Gardens of
Eternity) which they will enter, under which rivers flow, they will have
therein all that they wish. Thus Allah rewards the Muttaqun (pious).
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: they will have therein all that they
wish
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: they ,. (men and women ) will have ALL
that they wish
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: one of the women came to the prophet
peace be upon him and said
KrutoyMuzhik: now i see why it so easy for men to pick
up gun and fight americans in iraq
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: yes it is very easy
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: if they are believers
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: one of the women came to the prophet
peace be upon him and said
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: men have jihad so what do we have ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: he peace be upon him answered :
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: if u are a rightous wife, take care
about the kids , learn them , support ur husband, be faithful
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: u have the same rewards as who fights
and die
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and ..
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: in islam
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: the man sees his wife in heaven the
most bueatiful
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: more than all the vergines
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: so there in heaven ,
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: Rewards with no work
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: :- )
KrutoyMuzhik: i am sorry, but to me this seem man
made, when it was written like they were thinking what would be best thing to
write here...
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: no sir
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: it is not a man made !
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: because heaven is the place where u
will enjoy
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ur good deeds in this life
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: there are what no eye has seen and no
ear has heared and not came to an imagination of human
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: does this look like a man made ?
KrutoyMuzhik: i understand this...but that is
materialistic, all our lusts and fleshly desires there in heaven...all the sex,
girls, sceneary, easy lifestyle ect....that is not christian heaven
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: just change sex with marriage ur
sentence will be 100%
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and more
KrutoyMuzhik: christian heaven is to stand before the
living God and worship him day in and day out, to be there in his prescense,
and then he will rebuild jerusalem and it will be heaven on earth
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: never 100%
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: there are more gifts
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: so ur heaven does not have what no
eyes has seen or no ear has heard and never came to an imagination of human ?
KrutoyMuzhik: yes it does
KrutoyMuzhik: but it doesn't have 72 virgins and many
wifes ect
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: who told u it doesnt ?!
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: does the bible say it doesnt ?
KrutoyMuzhik: the living word of God
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: where /
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: show me
KrutoyMuzhik: show me where it does
KrutoyMuzhik: it doesn't never say 72 virgins...only
your koran says this
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: well u said it doesnt ! so u show me
where it says so !
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: KrutoyMuzhik: but it doesn't have 72 virgins and many
wifes ect
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: proov this
KrutoyMuzhik: well to prove this i would have to show
you where it does say it...and it doesn't say it anywhere in the bible so that
is proof alone
KrutoyMuzhik: how can i show you when there is no
passage of such
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: well then it is not mentioned so u
cant say it is not there
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: the bible didnt say Abu hamzeh is on
earth
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: this doesnt mean that there is no one
called abu hamzeh in earth
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: right ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and how come jesus says in the bible
that he will drink in the kingdome ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and bread in the kingdome
KrutoyMuzhik: http://www.hopeshineministry.com/testimonies.html#Ahmed_Abaza
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: sites !
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: lol
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: does the bible mention that there will
be a man called Abu hamzeh on Earth ? No
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: this doesnt mean that there wont be
coz it is not mentioned !
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: lol
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: fake stories !?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: u need to see Famous Priests became
muslims ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and i repeat FAMOUS
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ?
KrutoyMuzhik: and i can say that same without reading
them just as you did....Fake Stories...correct?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: because of that i said SITES ?!
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: lol
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: look
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: what about famous doctors and
proffesors in the states ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: vedio and audio
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and with full information about them
where u can contact them ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: u will see and hear them and u will
get full information about them
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: fair ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: but still u didnt answer my question
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: since the bible didnt mention me
myself , does this mean i dont exist ?
KrutoyMuzhik: what is this site
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: one sec
KrutoyMuzhik: did you know muhammed had relation with
a 9 year old?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: http://www.islampedia.com/ijaz/Html/Scientist_All/Index.htm
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: relation ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: he married her dear
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: u need explination say : YES
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:
KrutoyMuzhik: and is it okay to beat your wife, not to
hurt her but to teach her?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: beat ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: lol
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: u know the tooth brush ?
KrutoyMuzhik: yes
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: u hit the wife with her un hurting
hits to show her her mistake and when is this ??
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: read when
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: Men are the protectors and maintainers
of women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they
spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are
devoutly obedient (to Allah and to their husbands), and guard in the husband's
absence what Allah orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband's
property, etc.).
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: As to those women on whose part you
see ill conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds,
(and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to
obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allah is Ever
Most High, Most Great.
KrutoyMuzhik: in my bible it is shameful to beat your
wife
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: shamful ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: isnt is shamful to sell her ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: isnt it shamfull not to let her inherit
?
KrutoyMuzhik: sell her?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: yes SELL HER
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: but u will tell me old testment
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: but it is The SAME GOD you worship
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and force her to marry her died
brother's brother
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and she is to be inhereted
KrutoyMuzhik: do you like isreal?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: this is shamful and to beat her after
all what she did (if it will help to fix her)
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: like u do with ur son and kids (For
their Sake)
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: this is shamfull
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: no i dont like israel i hate israel
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: do you love Bin LAden ?
KrutoyMuzhik: no do you?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: oh ... Love your Enemies
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: no i dont
KrutoyMuzhik: i dont hate him
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: well u said u dont Love
KrutoyMuzhik: i think he is a evil man though
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: where u have to
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: Love Them
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: u have to love him
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: Love ur enemy
KrutoyMuzhik: i know but it is hard
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: it is not hard
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: it is impossible
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: enemy !!
KrutoyMuzhik: well love israel then
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: love ur enemies is for u not for me
KrutoyMuzhik: do you consider christians your
enemy?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: i will let the quran answer
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: Verily, you will find the strongest
among men in enmity to the believers (Muslims) the Jews and those who are
mushrikoon (polytheists), and you will find the nearest in love to the
believers (Muslims) those who say: "We are Christians." That is
because amongst them are priests and monks, and they are not proud.
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: And when they (who call themselves
Christians) listen to what has been sent down to the Messenger (Muhammad ãáÓæ åíáÚ åááÇ ìáÕ),
you see their eyes overflowing with tears because of the truth they have
recognised. They say: "Our Lord! We believe; so write us down among the
witnesses.
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: And why should we not believe in Allah
and in that which has come to us of the truth (Islamic Monotheism)? And we wish
that our Lord will admit us (in Paradise on the Day of Resurrection) along with
the righteous people
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: :- )
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: So because of what they said, Allah
rewarded them Gardens under which rivers flow (in Paradise), they will abide
therein forever. Such is the reward of good doers.
KrutoyMuzhik: so christians are wrong ... i see
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: yes they are missguided
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: i am speaking very honestly
KrutoyMuzhik: just as i see the same with muslims
KrutoyMuzhik: i also
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: i have my proofs from ur bible
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: show me proofs of my quran
KrutoyMuzhik: of what
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: of that we are missguided
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: how could mohammad know about the big
bang theory ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: how could mohammad know about the
barriers between big seas
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and many many ...
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: how could mohammd mention the lowest
ground on the whole earth ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: how could mohammad know about that in
the deep seas it is dark while he lived in Desert and never seen a sea
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: why does those scientists confiss
about that mohammad is a prophet !
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: americans , japanies , canadians,
germans, frensh FAMOUS scientists !
KrutoyMuzhik: BIBLE:
RE :no other gods
(One of
the Commandments) "You shall not have no other gods before me."
Exodus
20:3 Qur'an: RE : no other gods
[' 4:36]
You shall worship GOD alone - do not associate anything with Him. ....
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: yes
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: there is only One God
KrutoyMuzhik: BIBLE:
"I am
the Lord, and there is no other;
apart from
me there is no God."
Isaiah
45:5 Qur'an:
[ 112:1-4]
Proclaim, "He is the One and only GOD. "The Absolute GOD."Never
did He beget. Nor was He begotten."None equals Him."
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: 
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: Mal 3:6 "For I the LORD do not change; therefore
you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed
KrutoyMuzhik: BIBLE:
"For
in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day He RESTED,
and was REFRESHED"
Exo. 31:17
Qur'an:
"We
have created the heavens and the earth, and everything between them in six
days, and no fatigue touched us. "
Qur'an 50:38
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and on the seventh day He RESTED, and
was REFRESHED" Compare it with and
no fatigue touched us. "
KrutoyMuzhik: who is "us"
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ex 31:17 It is a sign between me and
the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and
earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: do u know When plural is used to show
mighty ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: WE The king of England ordered :
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: 1-
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: 2-
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: many verses in the quran
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and very known in english
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: Thy navel is like a round goblet,
which wanteth not liquor: thy belly is like an heap of wheat set about with
lilies.
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: Thy two breasts are like two young
roes that are twins.
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: Thy neck is as a tower of ivory; thine
eyes like the fishpools in Heshbon, by the gate of Bathrabbim: thy nose is as
the tower of Lebanon which looketh toward Damascus
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: This thy stature is like to a palm
tree, and thy breasts to clusters of grapes. 8 I said, I will go up to the palm
tree, I will take hold of the boughs thereof: now also thy breasts shall be as
clusters of the vine, and the smell of thy nose like apples;
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: the word of God right ?
KrutoyMuzhik: es
KrutoyMuzhik: yes
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ok !
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: mind was alienated from her sister. 19
Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her
youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt.
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: For she doted upon their paramours,
whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of
horses.
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: the word of God ?
KrutoyMuzhik: what book?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: i am asking do u accept this as the
word of God ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: honestly remember
KrutoyMuzhik: i suppose if its out fo the bible
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: u see , u accept it because it is
there , not because u r convinced
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: or
u might be convinced
KrutoyMuzhik: what are you trying to convince me to
believe then
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: i am trying to convince u to believe
that There is no God but one
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and believe in all the massengers and
books
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and believe that there are angels
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and the lifeafter
KrutoyMuzhik: http://www.christiananswers.net/islam.html
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: brother..
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: i can give u tons of sites
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: i am speaking to u ur honesy ur brain
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: honesty*
KrutoyMuzhik: do you read the injeel
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: i read 4 versions
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: cover to cover
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: what version u have
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: i hope not the New International
Version
KrutoyMuzhik: NKJV
KrutoyMuzhik: So Ishmael recieved the blessing not
Isaac?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: Both are blessed prophets
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: lol
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: tell me what do u have exactly in john
7:53
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ?
KrutoyMuzhik: "and every man went to his own
house"
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ok
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: do u like to talk about the basic of
christian beliefe ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: or u like to have a question that has
no answer in the bible ?
KrutoyMuzhik: christian beliefs
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: good
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: who died on the cross ?
KrutoyMuzhik: i know you believe Judas (i believe)
took the place of jesus on the cross? Jesus shed his blood and died on the
cross for all our sins
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: forget about what i believe
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: jesus died in the cross as God or as
human ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: our refrence is the Bible only
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ?
KrutoyMuzhik: "therefore the lord himselfshall
give you a sign, behold, a virgin shall
concieve, and bear a son, and shall call him immanuel"
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: well jesus never called immanuel ,.
but anyways my question
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: did jesus died in the cross as God or
human ?
KrutoyMuzhik: "for unto us a child is born, unto
us a son is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name
shall be called Wonderful, Councelor, the mighty God, the everlasting father,
the prince of peace"
KrutoyMuzhik: let me get to it read
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: i know these verses brother
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: but i will read
KrutoyMuzhik: who is this they talking about jesus
right
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: no
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: show me where jesus is called immanuel
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: jesus never called immanuel
KrutoyMuzhik: "In the beginning was the Word and
the Word was with God and the Word was god"
KrutoyMuzhik: "therefore the lord himselfshall
give you a sign, behold, a virgin shall
concieve, and bear a son, and shall call him immanuel"
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: in the begining was God and God was
with God and God was God
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: brother..
KrutoyMuzhik: Deut 6:4
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: my question is so simple
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: did jesus died as God or human
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: the answer is : as God , as human
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ?
KrutoyMuzhik: "but we see jesus, who was made a
little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and
honor, that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man"
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: so he died as a human or as God ?
KrutoyMuzhik: Jesus was God in flesh
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ok so he died as human or as God ?
KrutoyMuzhik: god
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: Dt 32:40 I lift my hand to heaven and
declare: As surely as I live forever
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: how comes God says i live forever
(before crossifiction) and he died ?
KrutoyMuzhik: "I am come in my fathers name, and
you recieve me not, if another shall come in his own name, him you wil
recieve"
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: Dt 32:40 I lift my hand to heaven and
declare: As surely as I live forever
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: how comes God says i live forever
(before crossifiction) and he died ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: this is my question..
KrutoyMuzhik: he was resurrected
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: but he died !
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and God says i live forever !
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: all of us well be ressurrected !
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: so how come God says i Live forever ,
and he died ?
KrutoyMuzhik: you believe jesus rose on the third
day?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: i dont believe that jesus is killed ,
God rised him
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and i can show u this from the bible
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: that he was not killed
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: but lets continue ..
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: if God says i live forever , how comes
he died ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: even if a second ..
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ?
KrutoyMuzhik: "howbeit jessu spoke of his death,
but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep"
KrutoyMuzhik: jesus*
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ??
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: jesus died as God
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: that what u said
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: i am asking
KrutoyMuzhik: jesus flesh died
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ok again
KrutoyMuzhik: jesus human body
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: jesus died as God or Human ?
KrutoyMuzhik: human body
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: so who died is Human not God right ?
KrutoyMuzhik: no he is God, but his flesh died on the
cross....God took on the human form through jesus, Jesus was God walking
amongst us
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: i will leave this question about if he
was God , but what died is human and not God right ?
KrutoyMuzhik: yes
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: Ez: 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it
shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the
father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall
be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: did jesus soul sin ?
KrutoyMuzhik: no
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: so how come he died ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: Dt:24:16 The fathers shall not be put
to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the
fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: every man shall be put to death for
his own sin
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: he died as a man as u said
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: so !
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: how come he died ?
KrutoyMuzhik: he took on the sins of the world, he
bore them all on the cross
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: but the bible clearly says : The
fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children
be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own
sin.
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: so as a human he cannot carry others
sins coz everyone must be punished for his own sin !
KrutoyMuzhik: well christ did
KrutoyMuzhik: you know this
KrutoyMuzhik: if you read new testament
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: then the one who said those verses
lied !
KrutoyMuzhik: so why you think jesus died on cross
then?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: jesus didnt die on the cross !
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: this is my believe
KrutoyMuzhik: so what happend huh?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: God rised him and saved him
KrutoyMuzhik: so who was that on the cross?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: mostly juda the betrayer
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: God put in him the look of jesus
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: so he was punished for what he did
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: u want to see this in the bible ?
KrutoyMuzhik: lol sure
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: put promiss me that u will be honest
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: promiss ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ?
KrutoyMuzhik: yes, but i want to see how you interept
this passage
KrutoyMuzhik: because i know for fact it doesnt' say
judas died on cross
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: i said
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: do u wanna see that jesus was nopt
crossified from the bible ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: my only simple condition is u promiss
me to be honest
KrutoyMuzhik: yes
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ok
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: Psalms 2:1-5
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: Wherefore did the heathen rage, and
the nations imagine vain things? 2 The kings of the earth stood up, and the
rulers gathered themselves together, against the Lord, and against his Christ;
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: Let us break through their bonds, and
cast away their yoke from us
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: the result : He that dwells in the
heavens shall laugh them to scorn, and the Lord shall mock them. 5 Then shall
he speak to them in his anger, and trouble them in his fury.
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: do u understand anything from the
second part ?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: He that dwells in the heavens shall
laugh them to scorn, and the Lord shall mock them. 5 Then shall he speak to
them in his anger, and trouble them in his fury.
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ?
KrutoyMuzhik: this does not show me in any way that judas died on the cross
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: i am speaking about jesus didnt die on
the cross
KrutoyMuzhik: theres no way to show this because it
doesn't say that in the bible
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ok lets move to the second proof
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: that jesus was not crossified
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: since u promissed to be honest
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: john 19: 35-36
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: And he that saw it bare record, and
his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.
36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone
of him shall not be broken.
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: that the scripture should be
fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
<-- Mark This
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: psalm 34:15-22
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: The eyes of the Lord are over the
righteous, and his ears are open to their prayer:
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: 16 but the face of the Lord is against
them that do evil, to destroy their memorial from the earth. The righteous
cried, and the Lord hearkened to them,
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: 17 and delivered them out of all their
afflictions.
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: 18 The Lord is near to them that are
of a contrite heart; and will save the lowly in spirit.
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: 19 Many are the afflictions of the
righteous: but out of them all Lord will deliver them.
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: 20 He keeps all their bones: not one
of them shall be broken. 21 The death of sinners is evil: and they that hate
righteousness will go wrong
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: honestly , what do u think , ?
KrutoyMuzhik: i dont' see in those passages that it
says jesus didn't die on the cross for our sins
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ok see , in john it says For these
things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall
not be broken.
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: him who ? jesus
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: where does the scripture mention this
?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: here
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and what is said here?
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: The righteous cried, and the Lord
hearkened to them
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: and delivered them out of ALL their
afflictions.
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: Many are the afflictions of the
righteous: but out of them all Lord will deliver them.
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: but out of them all Lord will deliver
them.
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: still nothing ?
KrutoyMuzhik: well i know where it says not a bone
shall be broken in him...thats true and it didn't happen
KrutoyMuzhik: but im sorry my brother,but i have to go
to bed, gotta get up early for work tomarrow...
KrutoyMuzhik: it was nice talking to you though, i
enjoyed our conversation
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: ok please add me brother
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: we will talk later ok ?
KrutoyMuzhik: okay
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests:
KrutoyMuzhik: ur added
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: take care
KrutoyMuzhik: god bless
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: thanks
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: gbu brother and ur wife
KrutoyMuzhik: u 2
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: thx
Abu_Hamzeh_Protests: have
a great night